1 00:00:00,125 --> 00:00:03,920 Thank you for tuning in to Voices for Freedom, an anti-human trafficking 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:04,879 podcast. 3 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,173 We want to acknowledge that the content we discuss 4 00:00:07,173 --> 00:00:11,094 can be emotionally challenging and may evoke strong reactions. 5 00:00:11,094 --> 00:00:14,931 The stories we share often delve into tough subjects related to human 6 00:00:14,931 --> 00:00:18,560 trafficking, which may be difficult for some listeners to hear. 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,812 Our goal is to raise awareness and promote 8 00:00:20,812 --> 00:00:24,649 understanding of the complexities surrounding human trafficking. 9 00:00:24,649 --> 00:00:27,235 Listener discretion is advised. 10 00:00:33,491 --> 00:00:35,410 Coming up on Voices for Freedom, 11 00:00:35,410 --> 00:00:38,329 an anti-trafficking podcast. 12 00:00:38,329 --> 00:00:40,457 But his wife, 13 00:00:40,457 --> 00:00:42,250 started having a panic attack. 14 00:00:42,250 --> 00:00:48,173 And while we're searching the house, Rosco was hanging out in the living room 15 00:00:48,173 --> 00:00:51,760 and just his presence, he went and leaned up against her leg 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:52,927 and started 17 00:00:52,927 --> 00:00:57,348 putting his head on her thigh. And she went from having this panic attack 18 00:00:57,348 --> 00:01:00,101 where we were contemplating calling EMS 19 00:01:00,101 --> 00:01:03,354 to actually calming down, and she stopped crying. 20 00:01:08,234 --> 00:01:12,864 Welcome to Voices for Freedom, an anti-trafficking podcast 21 00:01:12,864 --> 00:01:15,116 brought to you by OUR Rescue. 22 00:01:15,116 --> 00:01:19,245 I'm Matt Osborne, global ambassador for operations and education. 23 00:01:19,245 --> 00:01:22,916 We have so enjoyed this series thus far as we've focused 24 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:27,170 on the work of OUR Rescue overseas, aftercare, 25 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:30,298 and today, we're going to focus on one of the jewels in our crown. 26 00:01:30,298 --> 00:01:33,468 And that's our domestic law enforcement support. 27 00:01:33,468 --> 00:01:37,138 In many ways, we're more active domestically than we are overseas, 28 00:01:37,138 --> 00:01:41,184 even though we got our start some ten years ago internationally. 29 00:01:41,184 --> 00:01:43,937 And when you talk about the jewels, the absolute jewel 30 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:47,690 that everyone wants to know about is our K9 program. 31 00:01:47,690 --> 00:01:48,900 I'm sure many in the audience 32 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:51,861 have heard of a bomb-sniffing dog and a drug-sniffing dog. 33 00:01:51,861 --> 00:01:56,282 Well today, we're going to learn about an electronic storage device dog. 34 00:01:56,282 --> 00:01:59,494 Dogs that can sniff out digital media devices. 35 00:01:59,494 --> 00:02:01,287 It's absolutely incredible. 36 00:02:01,287 --> 00:02:04,541 And we have as our guest, and we're so grateful to have him in studio, 37 00:02:04,541 --> 00:02:06,668 Lieutenant John Haning. 38 00:02:06,668 --> 00:02:10,713 John Haning works for Rogers County Sheriff's Office in Oklahoma, 39 00:02:10,713 --> 00:02:12,257 just outside of Tulsa. 40 00:02:12,257 --> 00:02:16,177 And he is the handler of K9 Rosco. 41 00:02:16,177 --> 00:02:18,680 Although, as you may say at some point that Rosco may handle you. 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,557 I don't know. These dogs are wonderful. 43 00:02:20,557 --> 00:02:24,269 But John, thank you so much for your support of OUR Rescue. 44 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:26,271 Thanks for letting us support you. 45 00:02:26,271 --> 00:02:28,982 And we'll talk today in a few different segments in this show, 46 00:02:28,982 --> 00:02:32,360 but I think the first, to start for our viewers 47 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,989 and in the audience, is a little bit about your start in law enforcement. 48 00:02:35,989 --> 00:02:40,076 Did you always know you wanted to be a police officer, a peace officer? 49 00:02:40,076 --> 00:02:43,830 Did you even know about child exploitation cases? 50 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:47,667 What kind of brought you to, sort of, what you're doing today? 51 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:51,713 Well, attended college in East Central University in Oklahoma. 52 00:02:51,713 --> 00:02:55,091 And my family has a long history of 53 00:02:55,091 --> 00:02:57,302 being proactive in the community. 54 00:02:57,302 --> 00:02:59,137 My father was a colonel in the U.S. 55 00:02:59,137 --> 00:03:00,388 military. 56 00:03:00,388 --> 00:03:03,766 And my uncle, a detective at the Tulsa Police Department. 57 00:03:03,766 --> 00:03:06,728 So, I always wanted to serve my community 58 00:03:06,728 --> 00:03:09,689 and this was a great opportunity to serve my community, 59 00:03:09,689 --> 00:03:10,857 -This is amazing. 60 00:03:10,857 --> 00:03:14,194 So did you start right after college, and what were some of the initial cases 61 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:14,903 you were working on? 62 00:03:14,903 --> 00:03:17,614 My brother-in-law is a police officer, and he's doing a lot of, 63 00:03:17,614 --> 00:03:20,617 you know, black and white car patrol duty, drugs and thugs, 64 00:03:20,617 --> 00:03:21,409 he talks about. 65 00:03:21,409 --> 00:03:23,119 What were some of your first cases? 66 00:03:23,119 --> 00:03:24,537 Worked for the Tulsa County 67 00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:27,624 Sheriff's Office in the jail and then worked my way 68 00:03:27,624 --> 00:03:32,337 through various other law enforcement agencies doing general patrol work. 69 00:03:32,337 --> 00:03:37,717 Taking calls for service, and traffic stops, and drugs, and 70 00:03:37,717 --> 00:03:38,801 just various crimes. 71 00:03:38,801 --> 00:03:40,887 So I oftentimes have told my story. 72 00:03:40,887 --> 00:03:42,889 And, you know, I was 12 years with the CIA and U.S. 73 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:43,932 Department of State. 74 00:03:43,932 --> 00:03:48,978 And when I first heard about this issue of human trafficking, back in 2006, 75 00:03:48,978 --> 00:03:53,399 I admit - I'm ashamed to say it now - I thought this was prostitution. 76 00:03:53,399 --> 00:03:55,443 I thought this was the movie ‘Pretty Woman.’ 77 00:03:55,443 --> 00:03:56,694 You remember that back in the day, right? 78 00:03:56,694 --> 00:04:00,365 The Julia Roberts character that, you know, this lie about that character. 79 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:03,743 “Oh, she decides when to work, and who she has to be with, and how much she charges. 80 00:04:03,743 --> 00:04:05,119 And she keeps all the money.” 81 00:04:05,119 --> 00:04:07,997 No, these are victims, right? This is exploitation. 82 00:04:07,997 --> 00:04:09,415 When was it that you first heard 83 00:04:09,415 --> 00:04:12,168 about these type of cases, and when did you start working 84 00:04:12,168 --> 00:04:17,048 cases of human trafficking, forced prostitution, and child exploitation? 85 00:04:17,048 --> 00:04:21,761 Several years ago I attended a conference in Tulsa and 86 00:04:21,761 --> 00:04:24,013 ran into a group that 87 00:04:24,013 --> 00:04:27,058 had a task force, Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. 88 00:04:27,058 --> 00:04:28,643 So I got interested in that. 89 00:04:28,643 --> 00:04:30,979 Got us to where we're at today. 90 00:04:30,979 --> 00:04:36,651 We're with Homeland Security Investigations on their TACET Task Force. 91 00:04:36,651 --> 00:04:37,986 It stands for the Tornado Alley 92 00:04:37,986 --> 00:04:41,739 Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force. 93 00:04:41,739 --> 00:04:43,700 That's a mouthful, but I can imagine. That's a multi-state, 94 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:45,827 correct? -That’s correct. Not just Oklahoma? 95 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:46,911 Yes. - Trying to think. 96 00:04:46,911 --> 00:04:47,912 Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. 97 00:04:47,912 --> 00:04:48,454 Okay. 98 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:51,749 Obviously tornado alley, which, you know, we don't wanna make too light of it. 99 00:04:51,749 --> 00:04:53,668 I live in North Texas in tornado Alley. 100 00:04:53,668 --> 00:04:54,460 You are as well. 101 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:56,963 But the fact that you're bringing these various law enforcement 102 00:04:56,963 --> 00:05:00,717 units together to fight this crime, I think is incredible. 103 00:05:00,717 --> 00:05:03,052 And how long have you been on the task force? 104 00:05:03,052 --> 00:05:04,846 They just recently formed the task force 105 00:05:04,846 --> 00:05:06,889 So several months. 106 00:05:06,889 --> 00:05:07,807 That is amazing. 107 00:05:07,807 --> 00:05:08,558 But we’ve been on the 108 00:05:08,558 --> 00:05:11,769 ICAC Task Force for a couple of years. 109 00:05:11,769 --> 00:05:14,897 So I would imagine people in the audience might think, “Well, 110 00:05:14,897 --> 00:05:18,401 Tulsa, Oklahoma, Rogers County, central United States, 111 00:05:18,401 --> 00:05:22,071 come on, that's not New York. That's not L.A. That's not Miami. 112 00:05:22,071 --> 00:05:24,282 There's not a lot of human trafficking going on there.” 113 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:27,368 You wouldn't think there's a lot of tourism, a lot of nightlife. 114 00:05:27,368 --> 00:05:28,619 What would you tell our audience 115 00:05:28,619 --> 00:05:31,998 about the trafficking trends you are seeing in Rogers County 116 00:05:31,998 --> 00:05:34,083 in that part of Oklahoma? 117 00:05:34,083 --> 00:05:36,294 We have a lot of - I worked a case. 118 00:05:36,294 --> 00:05:40,548 A couple years ago, we had a juvenile runaway that became involved in 119 00:05:40,548 --> 00:05:43,926 the sex trade when she traveled from - 120 00:05:43,926 --> 00:05:48,973 once she ran away from the Rogers County area, went to Houston to Dallas, 121 00:05:48,973 --> 00:05:52,685 came back to Tulsa, and we were able to rescue her in the Tulsa area. 122 00:05:52,685 --> 00:05:56,147 We do have a lot of crimes because the crime in Tulsa, the Tulsa 123 00:05:56,147 --> 00:05:59,525 area, is one of the huge hubs 124 00:05:59,525 --> 00:06:04,572 for drugs coming from the East Coast to the West Coast 125 00:06:04,572 --> 00:06:06,115 as well as human trafficking. 126 00:06:06,115 --> 00:06:10,411 Yeah, I mean anytime you have highways, anytime you have roads, 127 00:06:10,411 --> 00:06:12,163 anytime you have rural areas as well 128 00:06:12,163 --> 00:06:15,708 these traffickers will try to move what they call their merchandise through there. 129 00:06:15,708 --> 00:06:16,584 Correct? 130 00:06:16,584 --> 00:06:17,794 -That’s correct. 131 00:06:17,794 --> 00:06:19,629 A lot of followers of OUR Rescue 132 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:23,758 who've been with us from the beginning may know of our rescue operations 133 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:27,345 and support of law enforcement in Colombia, in Thailand, in Mexico. 134 00:06:27,345 --> 00:06:30,890 And they probably aren't quite aware of our domestic program. 135 00:06:30,890 --> 00:06:32,642 We oftentimes say that overseas, 136 00:06:32,642 --> 00:06:36,145 and again, this is a generalization that trafficking tends to be 137 00:06:36,145 --> 00:06:38,564 poverty-fueled or poverty-driven. 138 00:06:38,564 --> 00:06:42,151 In the United States, we see a lot more drug-fueled, drug-driven, 139 00:06:42,151 --> 00:06:44,946 vulnerabilities in children, latchkey kids, broken homes, 140 00:06:44,946 --> 00:06:46,447 vulnerabilities in children, latchkey kids, broken homes, 141 00:06:46,447 --> 00:06:50,993 but not only - I know a woman who was trafficked in Dallas, Texas. 142 00:06:50,993 --> 00:06:53,913 Two-parent household, very wealthy. 143 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:57,250 How would you describe a typical victim? 144 00:06:57,250 --> 00:07:00,586 How would you describe a survivor that you're seeing in your area? 145 00:07:00,586 --> 00:07:03,673 They're all vulnerable juveniles. 146 00:07:03,673 --> 00:07:07,760 Either have come from broken homes. -And this happens everywhere. 147 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:08,761 And that's the thing. 148 00:07:08,761 --> 00:07:11,514 It can happen everywhere. It can happen online. 149 00:07:11,514 --> 00:07:14,308 And these traffickers, these predators, 150 00:07:14,308 --> 00:07:18,104 these child predators are storing a lot of their material. 151 00:07:18,104 --> 00:07:20,273 As you know, we used to call it child pornography. 152 00:07:20,273 --> 00:07:21,149 We don't say that anymore. 153 00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:27,196 We say CSAM, child sex abuse material, or CSAM, child sexual exploitation material - 154 00:07:27,196 --> 00:07:31,742 on cell phones, laptops, hard drives but also thumb drives, SD cards. 155 00:07:31,742 --> 00:07:34,162 And that's where our K9 program comes in. 156 00:07:34,162 --> 00:07:35,121 So I'd be interested 157 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:37,957 to know a little bit about how you first heard of 158 00:07:37,957 --> 00:07:39,417 OUR Rescue 159 00:07:39,417 --> 00:07:43,838 And this K9 program. And how Rosco came to, 160 00:07:43,838 --> 00:07:47,592 as we'll talk about later in this show, truly [be] a member of your family. 161 00:07:47,592 --> 00:07:49,510 But just right now, on the professional level, 162 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:53,931 you with Rogers County Sheriff's Office, how did you hear about OUR Rescue 163 00:07:53,931 --> 00:07:55,433 and the K9? 164 00:07:55,433 --> 00:07:58,019 Well, I attended a lot of the conferences for the Internet Crimes 165 00:07:58,019 --> 00:07:59,645 Against Children [Task Force], 166 00:07:59,645 --> 00:08:00,271 ran into your 167 00:08:00,271 --> 00:08:02,857 organization in the Atlanta conference 168 00:08:02,857 --> 00:08:04,233 several years ago. 169 00:08:04,233 --> 00:08:07,695 Found out about these service dogs, these 170 00:08:07,695 --> 00:08:10,907 ESD dogs and thought it was a wonderful program. 171 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:15,620 We’ve worked several cases when we didn't have them, and you always, in the back of your mind - 172 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:16,329 we’d always have that, 173 00:08:16,329 --> 00:08:18,247 “Well, did I get everything? 174 00:08:18,247 --> 00:08:20,958 Did I find all those devices that I'm looking for?” 175 00:08:20,958 --> 00:08:24,462 Because, as we all know, it's is that one device that we miss, 176 00:08:24,462 --> 00:08:27,965 could be the device that helps us locate a child 177 00:08:27,965 --> 00:08:30,551 who’s been abducted or is being abused. 178 00:08:30,551 --> 00:08:32,386 You know, and you went through the training, right, 179 00:08:32,386 --> 00:08:35,223 certification at Jordan K9 Detection in Indiana, 180 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:35,681 correct? 181 00:08:35,681 --> 00:08:36,224 - That’s correct. 182 00:08:36,224 --> 00:08:38,392 And what Todd Jordan has said in the past. 183 00:08:38,392 --> 00:08:40,478 And you can probably back this up, but I'd be interested 184 00:08:40,478 --> 00:08:44,148 in your thoughts. You sort of hinted at it just now. In a drug case, 185 00:08:44,148 --> 00:08:48,194 if a drug-sniffing dog misses a quantity of drugs, it's natural. 186 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:48,945 It happens. 187 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:52,782 Okay, you missed some drugs, but as you just said, and I hope our audience 188 00:08:52,782 --> 00:08:54,617 really focuses on this. 189 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:56,619 If a human eye 190 00:08:56,619 --> 00:09:01,123 or even the dog misses an SD card, a USB, 191 00:09:01,123 --> 00:09:05,169 that could be a child, children who need rescued, right? 192 00:09:05,169 --> 00:09:07,588 And that's why these dogs are so important. - Absolutely. 193 00:09:07,588 --> 00:09:08,965 Absolutely. 194 00:09:08,965 --> 00:09:13,052 We take him on all of our cases that we work. 195 00:09:13,052 --> 00:09:16,013 If it has anything to do with kids, 196 00:09:16,013 --> 00:09:18,558 sexual abuse, 197 00:09:18,558 --> 00:09:19,517 just anything 198 00:09:19,517 --> 00:09:23,479 because it's like I said, every time that we've taken him, 199 00:09:23,479 --> 00:09:26,857 the investigators will do the initial search of the property, 200 00:09:26,857 --> 00:09:28,442 and then we'll go in afterwards. 201 00:09:28,442 --> 00:09:32,613 And every single time, we've always found a device that was overlooked. 202 00:09:32,989 --> 00:09:34,031 It is incredible. 203 00:09:34,031 --> 00:09:38,661 And we'll talk a little bit more in later segments, but for the audience now 204 00:09:38,661 --> 00:09:41,747 to hear a little bit about how OUR Rescue heard about these dogs. 205 00:09:41,747 --> 00:09:42,832 It was a few years ago. 206 00:09:42,832 --> 00:09:46,919 And many in the audience may remember Jared, the Subway sandwich 207 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:49,755 pitchman, right? Jared was a, quite corpulent 208 00:09:49,755 --> 00:09:52,967 and he said he lost a bunch of weight eating Subway sandwiches. 209 00:09:52,967 --> 00:09:56,012 Well Jared was a bit of a predator that we can call. He's been convicted. 210 00:09:56,012 --> 00:09:59,056 He's had his day in court, and he was telling a coworker 211 00:09:59,056 --> 00:10:01,142 some pretty disgusting things about his proclivities. 212 00:10:01,142 --> 00:10:03,269 Coworker was horrified, talked to police. 213 00:10:03,269 --> 00:10:04,687 Police asked her to wear a wire, 214 00:10:04,687 --> 00:10:07,023 [she] got the information that was enough for a warrant. 215 00:10:07,023 --> 00:10:09,900 My understanding is the state police went in on one 216 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:13,237 or two occasions and couldn't find his stash of digital media. 217 00:10:13,237 --> 00:10:15,740 They brought in a dog. It was not one of our dogs at the time. 218 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:17,033 I think his name was Bear, 219 00:10:17,033 --> 00:10:21,370 and within minutes, Bear found terabytes of data that Jared had. 220 00:10:21,370 --> 00:10:21,871 And I'm curious 221 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:23,914 if you were familiar with that story or know that that's 222 00:10:23,914 --> 00:10:27,793 then how we found out about these dogs and said, “All right, we've got to support, 223 00:10:27,793 --> 00:10:31,213 we've got to empower law enforcement and get as many of these types of K9s 224 00:10:31,213 --> 00:10:34,050 into the hands of you who are on the frontlines in this fight.” 225 00:10:34,050 --> 00:10:35,009 Well, that was the story I 226 00:10:35,009 --> 00:10:40,056 heard that got us interested in looking into the program and your organization. 227 00:10:40,056 --> 00:10:44,060 It's a great story because we worked numerous cases 228 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:44,935 and it's 229 00:10:44,935 --> 00:10:47,855 always been, you know, like, did I find it all? 230 00:10:47,855 --> 00:10:52,526 Was any device that could have led to saving a child [not found]? [That] was always there. 231 00:10:52,526 --> 00:10:57,573 So now we have Rosco, and it really helps us get that piece of mind. 232 00:10:57,573 --> 00:10:58,699 Well, we're grateful 233 00:10:58,699 --> 00:11:00,618 and, I mean, look what a well-behaved dog here. 234 00:11:00,618 --> 00:11:01,744 This is amazing. 235 00:11:01,744 --> 00:11:03,120 We're going to wrap up this segment. 236 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,915 When we come back, we'll talk a little bit about Lieutenant 237 00:11:05,915 --> 00:11:09,835 Haning's personal experiences with Rosco, not only on cases but 238 00:11:09,835 --> 00:11:14,215 what a blessing he's been to the family, to the neighborhood, to the office. 239 00:11:14,215 --> 00:11:15,800 But right now, don't go anywhere. 240 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,929 You are watching Voices for Freedom, an anti-trafficking podcast 241 00:11:19,929 --> 00:11:22,306 brought to you by OUR Rescue. 242 00:11:23,641 --> 00:11:25,893 A big thanks to our sponsor, 243 00:11:25,893 --> 00:11:29,271 OUR Rescue Store, for supporting our podcast. 244 00:11:29,271 --> 00:11:32,733 The OUR Rescue Store is committed to responsibly sourcing 245 00:11:32,733 --> 00:11:36,696 products that ignite conversations about human trafficking, 246 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:40,533 raising awareness and contributing to the movement against it. 247 00:11:40,533 --> 00:11:43,369 With more than enough colors, designs, and items 248 00:11:43,369 --> 00:11:46,914 to choose from, there's definitely something for you. 249 00:11:46,914 --> 00:11:51,168 Find something you'll be proud to own, and be an advocate for change. 250 00:11:51,168 --> 00:11:55,047 Visit store.ourrescue.org and use 251 00:11:55,047 --> 00:11:59,218 the promo code Voices10 for 10% off your purchase. 252 00:11:59,218 --> 00:12:04,265 That's Voices10 on store.ourrescue.org. 253 00:12:04,473 --> 00:12:08,477 And welcome back to Voices for Freedom, an anti-trafficking podcast. 254 00:12:08,477 --> 00:12:09,895 We are talking to 255 00:12:09,895 --> 00:12:13,899 Lieutenant John Haning in Rogers County Sheriff's Office in Oklahoma 256 00:12:13,899 --> 00:12:18,738 who is the handler for ESD K9 Rosco, electronic storage 257 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:20,656 device K9 Rosco. 258 00:12:20,656 --> 00:12:21,741 John, in the first segment, 259 00:12:21,741 --> 00:12:24,285 we talked about your background, what brought you to law enforcement, 260 00:12:24,285 --> 00:12:28,539 to child exploitation cases that do exist in the central United States. 261 00:12:28,539 --> 00:12:30,833 A lot of people don't know that in rural areas. 262 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:33,878 Talk a little bit now about this hero 263 00:12:33,878 --> 00:12:36,797 number two. We call you hero number one. This is hero number two. 264 00:12:36,797 --> 00:12:41,927 A little bit about what Rosco has done for your family and for your neighborhood 265 00:12:41,927 --> 00:12:46,015 above and beyond what we will then talk about, the cases that he's helping on. 266 00:12:46,015 --> 00:12:48,893 But just what has he meant to your family and your neighborhood? 267 00:12:48,893 --> 00:12:50,519 You shared an email a couple weeks ago, and 268 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:54,398 if you're willing to share the contents, it absolutely warmed everyone's hearts 269 00:12:54,398 --> 00:12:57,401 and just improved the morale of our office across the board. 270 00:12:57,401 --> 00:12:58,944 When I brought him home that day 271 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:02,656 my daughter just fell in love with him. 272 00:13:02,656 --> 00:13:05,409 And she's been side-by-side with him. 273 00:13:05,409 --> 00:13:07,578 We take him everywhere we go. 274 00:13:07,578 --> 00:13:09,789 All the neighborhood kids come over. 275 00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:14,627 She tells the story about what he does for a living and his background. 276 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:16,045 Now, does she know specifics? 277 00:13:16,045 --> 00:13:18,339 Because I remember - my daughters now college age when they were younger, 278 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:21,383 I kind of shared a little bit or kind of hid a little bit of it. 279 00:13:21,383 --> 00:13:24,220 Does she know exactly the type of predator Rosco's targeting? 280 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:24,929 - No. 281 00:13:24,929 --> 00:13:27,681 She just knows that he helps kids. 282 00:13:27,681 --> 00:13:28,933 - That's wonderful and that’s what he does. 283 00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:32,728 He makes it safe for the kids and to make sure that 284 00:13:32,728 --> 00:13:34,230 nothing bad happens to them. 285 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:38,067 So, he shares those stories with all the other neighborhood kids. 286 00:13:38,067 --> 00:13:40,694 We live in a small neighborhood, about 700 homes. 287 00:13:40,694 --> 00:13:45,533 So we have about 20 kids that roam around our house and about the same age 288 00:13:45,533 --> 00:13:49,203 as my daughter who’s 12, and they'll come over and they'll ring the door, 289 00:13:49,203 --> 00:13:51,038 “Hey, is Elizabeth home? 290 00:13:51,038 --> 00:13:52,998 Can Rosco come with us?” 291 00:13:52,998 --> 00:13:56,502 You know, so they were always taking them to the field and playing, 292 00:13:56,502 --> 00:14:00,965 you know, various games. Throwing the ball and catching the ball, and 293 00:14:00,965 --> 00:14:04,051 dressing him up, and all kinds of fun stuff. 294 00:14:04,051 --> 00:14:05,177 Now answer honestly, 295 00:14:05,177 --> 00:14:06,720 do you ever get offended when people come over 296 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,431 and ask for Rosco first and not you, your wife, your kids? 297 00:14:09,431 --> 00:14:11,475 No, I’m used to it. Even at work, 298 00:14:11,475 --> 00:14:13,519 I take him to the district attorney's office and they're like, 299 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:14,562 “Hey we’re glad you're here, 300 00:14:14,562 --> 00:14:16,105 but we really want to see Rosco.” 301 00:14:16,105 --> 00:14:21,819 Or if I show up there, the judges will always ask, like, “Where's Rosco?” 302 00:14:21,819 --> 00:14:24,530 So they’d much rather see Rosco than 303 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:25,614 the stuff that I bring them. 304 00:14:25,614 --> 00:14:26,907 You know, what you just said 305 00:14:26,907 --> 00:14:30,744 reminds me of something, our VP of Domestic 306 00:14:30,744 --> 00:14:34,290 Law Enforcement Support Tracy Wyant, who does an incredible job with our team. 307 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:37,835 He and I were in Texas a few weeks ago, and we went to the Dallas ICAC, 308 00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:41,046 Dallas Police Department, where K9 Remi was there. 309 00:14:41,046 --> 00:14:44,633 And the handler would take us around the office, kind of like you just said, 310 00:14:44,633 --> 00:14:48,971 and talk about the morale improvement around the office with this dog. 311 00:14:48,971 --> 00:14:51,557 Think about the men and women, and I'd like to hear about in your office. 312 00:14:51,557 --> 00:14:54,018 You can just imagine these men and women are on the front lines 313 00:14:54,018 --> 00:14:57,104 every day looking for child predators, looking for just these - well, having 314 00:14:57,104 --> 00:15:00,524 to watch these videos. These heavy, heavy topics. 315 00:15:00,524 --> 00:15:04,361 And yet this dog comes in. This sweet dog. Talk a little bit about the morale, 316 00:15:04,361 --> 00:15:08,324 what Rosco has done in the Rogers County, Oklahoma Sheriff's Office. 317 00:15:08,324 --> 00:15:10,451 All of our offices - we have all of their investigators. 318 00:15:10,451 --> 00:15:12,745 We're in our own little office space. 319 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:14,705 So he just walks from office to office. 320 00:15:14,705 --> 00:15:17,041 If he hears tension in someone's voice, 321 00:15:17,041 --> 00:15:20,544 he’ll come over and lay his head on their lap, or 322 00:15:20,544 --> 00:15:21,879 sometimes, 323 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:26,926 if an investigator has a rough phone call with an individual, Rosco can hear 324 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:30,721 and sense that tension. He'll actually climb on their lap, you know, 325 00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:32,640 at work. 326 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:33,933 They just love him. 327 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:35,225 And he's always walked around. 328 00:15:35,225 --> 00:15:38,228 - Well, if he’s anywhere as cute as he is right now. 329 00:15:38,228 --> 00:15:40,773 I mean what he's doing here. This is great. 330 00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:43,317 And we did not sedate him. We did not do anything like that. 331 00:15:43,317 --> 00:15:45,194 This is just him being good for his handler. 332 00:15:45,194 --> 00:15:46,320 Lieutenant Haning, 333 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,781 for some in our audience, again, as we mentioned earlier, they may be like, 334 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,783 “Well, I understand a bomb-sniffing dog, what 335 00:15:50,783 --> 00:15:52,368 they'd be trying to sniff out. 336 00:15:52,368 --> 00:15:54,662 And I understand a drug-sniffing dog, 337 00:15:54,662 --> 00:15:57,206 what they might be sniffing out.” 338 00:15:57,206 --> 00:15:58,999 CliffsNotes version for someone who failed 339 00:15:58,999 --> 00:16:00,709 chemistry, biology, all of that. 340 00:16:00,709 --> 00:16:05,214 What is it exactly that Rosco and these type of dogs are sniffing out 341 00:16:05,214 --> 00:16:09,885 in the digital media devices you're trying to target of suspected child predators? 342 00:16:09,885 --> 00:16:14,264 Well basically, it’s one chemical that they spray on all 343 00:16:14,264 --> 00:16:15,641 circuit boards 344 00:16:15,641 --> 00:16:18,394 that store data. And it keeps it from overheating. 345 00:16:18,394 --> 00:16:21,772 And that's the one chemical Rosco's trained to hit on. 346 00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:24,066 Okay, and I've heard that's TPPO. 347 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:27,361 Don’t even try to have me tell what that is, but that is that chemical compound, 348 00:16:27,361 --> 00:16:28,278 correct? -That’s correct. 349 00:16:28,278 --> 00:16:32,533 In every cell phone? Hard drive? Laptop? What else? 350 00:16:32,533 --> 00:16:34,576 - Micro SD cards. 351 00:16:34,576 --> 00:16:35,494 And think about that, right. 352 00:16:35,494 --> 00:16:38,247 A thumbnail size SD card, micro SD card. 353 00:16:38,247 --> 00:16:44,044 How easy would that be to hide in a home, a trailer, anywhere where humans - 354 00:16:44,044 --> 00:16:47,715 as good as you are - and police departments and sheriff's offices would miss? 355 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:49,717 But these dogs sniff it out. 356 00:16:49,717 --> 00:16:51,635 Yes, and AirTag’s as well. 357 00:16:51,635 --> 00:16:52,511 You wouldn’t think of 358 00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:54,763 Apple AirTag, and 359 00:16:54,763 --> 00:16:56,515 we’ve worked cases where 360 00:16:56,515 --> 00:16:58,767 people were tracking vehicles. 361 00:16:58,767 --> 00:17:01,520 How does Rosco know when to go to work? 362 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,357 How does he transform from this delightful dog 363 00:17:05,357 --> 00:17:08,402 to knowing he needs to sniff out 364 00:17:08,402 --> 00:17:11,697 digital media devices and sniff that TPPO compound? 365 00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:15,325 Well, Rosco's food-driven, so 366 00:17:15,325 --> 00:17:17,578 he doesn't get fed unless he works. 367 00:17:17,578 --> 00:17:21,331 So he's very motivated to find the devices and the work. 368 00:17:21,331 --> 00:17:23,417 So there's certain commands, 369 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:25,377 you know, that’ll get him ready, 370 00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:27,046 you know, if we're going to work, 371 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:29,923 and he becomes alert. - Perks up. 372 00:17:29,923 --> 00:17:30,758 And he perks up, 373 00:17:30,758 --> 00:17:33,385 and he comes from a sleepy dog to, 374 00:17:33,385 --> 00:17:34,720 “All right, I'm ready to work.” 375 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,307 And as we're going through the area, I introduce him to the area saying, you know, 376 00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:41,477 this is the area that we're going to search. 377 00:17:41,477 --> 00:17:43,771 Then we go back through and we just start 378 00:17:43,771 --> 00:17:46,732 searching the area with his specific commands. 379 00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:49,985 And he's looking for the areas that I’m indicating, not cell phones 380 00:17:49,985 --> 00:17:53,155 that I have on my pocket or if there’s someone else in the room, 381 00:17:53,155 --> 00:17:55,741 he's not going to be hitting on those as well. 382 00:17:55,741 --> 00:17:56,909 So food-motivated. 383 00:17:56,909 --> 00:17:59,870 I imagine maybe he eats a couple times a day or sporadically. 384 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:01,163 However, I know the question 385 00:18:01,163 --> 00:18:04,083 the audience - we're all dog lovers, right. No, we're not being cruel. 386 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:05,375 They eat every single day. 387 00:18:05,375 --> 00:18:07,419 Even when Lieutenant Haning is off duty. 388 00:18:07,419 --> 00:18:09,296 What do you do on your off days? 389 00:18:09,296 --> 00:18:10,214 How do you ensure 390 00:18:10,214 --> 00:18:12,841 he's still getting the nourishment that a dog needs 391 00:18:12,841 --> 00:18:14,551 and still keeping his senses sharp? 392 00:18:14,551 --> 00:18:18,013 We're constantly training. So we train two to three times a day. 393 00:18:18,013 --> 00:18:21,725 He's constantly eating. He works, you know. It's his daily routine. 394 00:18:21,725 --> 00:18:26,021 So when we go actually do a search warrant or actually working a case, 395 00:18:26,021 --> 00:18:29,733 that's just part of his daily routine. It's nothing [ab]normal, you know, 396 00:18:29,733 --> 00:18:31,443 abnormal for him. 397 00:18:31,443 --> 00:18:33,529 So a funny story I heard once from a handler. 398 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:36,031 We'll see if you had a similar experience. 399 00:18:36,031 --> 00:18:37,449 2 p.m. on a Sunday. 400 00:18:37,449 --> 00:18:38,158 She's not working. 401 00:18:38,158 --> 00:18:40,452 She's home watching something on TV. 402 00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:42,996 Well, all of a sudden, her K9 starts going around the house 403 00:18:42,996 --> 00:18:45,999 and pulling all the dummy devices that have been used for training: 404 00:18:45,999 --> 00:18:49,795 cell phones, USBs, things that handlers use. Put them at the handler's feet 405 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:52,089 and the handler says, “Okay girl, you must be hungry. 406 00:18:52,089 --> 00:18:54,049 Time to train and time to eat.” Does that happen as well? 407 00:18:54,049 --> 00:18:55,843 Does Rosco let you know when he's hungry? 408 00:18:55,843 --> 00:18:59,805 Yes, he’ll either climb on my lap or he'll start staring at me. 409 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:03,642 You know, just abnormal behavior that you - because normally he lays around 410 00:19:03,642 --> 00:19:06,311 or he walks around. He just does what Rosco does. 411 00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:10,440 But when he's hungry, and if I forget, you know, 412 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,525 that it’s time to feed him, 413 00:19:11,525 --> 00:19:13,277 he'll definitely remind me. 414 00:19:13,277 --> 00:19:16,071 Well, I think, in the next segment, we'll talk about some of your 415 00:19:16,071 --> 00:19:20,284 most interesting, noteworthy cases that Rosco has 416 00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:22,578 helped you on. But, would you mind sharing 417 00:19:22,578 --> 00:19:25,747 the one really touching story in the email from a couple weeks ago 418 00:19:25,747 --> 00:19:28,375 about how these dogs, yes, they're trained to work. 419 00:19:28,375 --> 00:19:29,835 They sniff out these devices. 420 00:19:29,835 --> 00:19:34,131 They help law enforcement to gain evidence and gather evidence on predators. 421 00:19:34,131 --> 00:19:35,674 But they're also service dogs. 422 00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,050 They're also comfort dogs. 423 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:38,927 They help in exponential ways. 424 00:19:38,927 --> 00:19:42,598 Do you mind sharing that story of that poor woman who was fortunately calmed 425 00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:44,558 by Rosco and his demeanor? 426 00:19:44,558 --> 00:19:44,975 Yeah, a few weeks ago, 427 00:19:44,975 --> 00:19:45,601 Yeah, a few weeks ago, 428 00:19:45,601 --> 00:19:50,480 we were executing a search warrant on an individual who was hiding 429 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,231 cameras in the 430 00:19:51,231 --> 00:19:55,402 bathroom in various places through a lake house. And his wife 431 00:19:55,402 --> 00:19:59,448 -To film his kids and friends? To film people using the restroom. 432 00:19:59,448 --> 00:20:00,866 - Oh, my gosh. 433 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:03,660 So we were able to identify three victims, 434 00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:05,871 but his wife 435 00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:07,664 started having a panic attack. 436 00:20:07,664 --> 00:20:13,587 And while we're searching the house, Rosco was hanging out in the living room. 437 00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:17,174 And just his presence, he went and leaned up against her leg 438 00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:18,342 and started 439 00:20:18,342 --> 00:20:22,763 putting his head on her thigh, and she went from having this panic attack, 440 00:20:22,763 --> 00:20:25,682 where we were contemplating calling EMS, 441 00:20:25,682 --> 00:20:29,436 to actually calming down, and she stopped crying. Started 442 00:20:29,436 --> 00:20:34,399 focusing on Rosco and then Rosco was able to 443 00:20:34,399 --> 00:20:36,526 get her back to normal without any issues. 444 00:20:36,526 --> 00:20:38,862 Just being a cute dog, just being there. 445 00:20:38,862 --> 00:20:39,780 Yeah and then 446 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:41,907 because, like he normally does, 447 00:20:41,907 --> 00:20:45,786 like he was trained to do, prior to what he does now, 448 00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:49,081 would lean on her and pay a lot of attention to her. 449 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:50,958 And it was just - it was amazing to see. 450 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:53,627 And I didn't really pay much attention to it. 451 00:20:53,627 --> 00:20:57,589 It was one of my investigators who later on sent me a text message 452 00:20:57,589 --> 00:21:02,427 and told me about what he did and how he averted this lady 453 00:21:02,427 --> 00:21:04,805 from making a trip to the hospital. 454 00:21:04,805 --> 00:21:06,598 It was just absolutely amazing. 455 00:21:06,598 --> 00:21:09,434 And we hear stories, too, about child victims, 456 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:10,060 survivors 457 00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:14,064 who are in victim interview rooms and who are very upset, understandably, 458 00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:17,818 about having to testify and the experience, and that these dogs can comfort 459 00:21:17,818 --> 00:21:18,819 them as well. 460 00:21:18,819 --> 00:21:21,405 Have you had any other similar circumstances 461 00:21:21,405 --> 00:21:23,282 where Rosco's been able to help 462 00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:26,660 above and beyond their normal - these ESD dogs’ - normal roles 463 00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:28,787 and trying to sniff out this digital media? 464 00:21:28,787 --> 00:21:32,749 Yeah, we spend a lot of time at the forensic center there in Claremore. 465 00:21:32,749 --> 00:21:36,128 And, you know, it definitely helps the kids, you know, when they show 466 00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:40,257 up, they're little upset or they're just crying and just need someone to, 467 00:21:40,257 --> 00:21:42,259 you know, have Rosco 468 00:21:42,259 --> 00:21:45,178 just pay a little attention to them. 469 00:21:45,178 --> 00:21:48,140 So we go to the forensic center and he’s available to the courts 470 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:52,519 if we have a victim that is going to get up and testify. 471 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:55,480 Because, as you can tell, he's pretty, pretty relaxed. 472 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,773 Not high-strung. 473 00:21:56,773 --> 00:21:57,816 Yes. Yeah. 474 00:21:57,816 --> 00:22:00,110 As we can see here, for sure. 475 00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:04,156 I don't think it's visible through the cameras now, but I'm looking at his vest 476 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,575 and it says, “Sheriff electronic detection K9” 477 00:22:06,575 --> 00:22:08,702 and it has OUR Rescue's logo there. 478 00:22:08,702 --> 00:22:11,496 Then it says, “Rosco: free hugs.” 479 00:22:11,496 --> 00:22:13,874 Do people see that? Do people know they can come up? 480 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:17,210 Because I was even in the airport today and there was a, you know, German Shepherd, 481 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:17,794 I think mix, 482 00:22:17,794 --> 00:22:18,837 and he was definitely 483 00:22:18,837 --> 00:22:22,090 a police dog, and it said, “K9: do not touch. Do not pet.” 484 00:22:22,090 --> 00:22:24,009 This seems to be a little bit of the opposite, correct? 485 00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:24,760 Oh absolutely, 486 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,556 because we drag him everywhere we go, because we not only talk about 487 00:22:29,556 --> 00:22:31,558 his history, but what he does. 488 00:22:31,558 --> 00:22:34,770 And it just kind of gets the awareness out to the public. 489 00:22:34,770 --> 00:22:37,230 And the first thing people [say] is, “Can I pet your dog? 490 00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:38,106 I know he’s a working dog.” 491 00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:40,359 No, I explain to them free hugs. - Free hugs. 492 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,277 So you put that on there 493 00:22:42,277 --> 00:22:47,407 and he just loves people, just loves going out and meeting people. 494 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:50,369 Gives us an opportunity to tell the story. 495 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,371 Absolutely. Well, I'm excited here. 496 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:54,831 And it looks like it's nap time perhaps as well. 497 00:22:54,831 --> 00:22:58,752 So I think if Rosco is taking a snooze, it's a good opportunity for us 498 00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:00,170 to take a break as well. 499 00:23:00,170 --> 00:23:01,046 Don't go anywhere. 500 00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:01,838 We're going to come back 501 00:23:01,838 --> 00:23:03,465 with our final segment with Lieutenant Haning. 502 00:23:03,465 --> 00:23:05,675 We’re gonna talk about some of the specific cases 503 00:23:05,675 --> 00:23:08,220 that he and Rosco have worked in Rogers County, 504 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,972 and then we'll get into a little bit more about how you can support 505 00:23:10,972 --> 00:23:14,226 and how the need for these dogs right now is greater than ever. 506 00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:17,396 This is Voices for Freedom, an anti-trafficking podcast 507 00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:19,481 brought to you by OUR Rescue. 508 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,317 I want to thank today's sponsor, 509 00:23:22,317 --> 00:23:26,321 the OUR Rescue Store, for supporting this podcast. 510 00:23:26,321 --> 00:23:28,949 Did you know the OUR Rescue Store features 511 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:30,617 survivor-made items? 512 00:23:30,617 --> 00:23:31,952 In this critical fight, 513 00:23:31,952 --> 00:23:34,246 they serve as symbols of hope. 514 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:38,166 By choosing to purchase one of these beautifully handcrafted items, 515 00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:39,459 you will impact the healing 516 00:23:39,459 --> 00:23:44,840 journey of survivors and help them reclaim their lives in the process. 517 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,924 We encourage you to 518 00:23:45,924 --> 00:23:49,928 shop survivor-made items on the OUR Rescue website. 519 00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:55,308 It might only be a few dollars to you, but it makes a world of difference to them. 520 00:23:55,308 --> 00:23:57,102 And, in case you need any extra 521 00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:59,104 motivation, use promo code 522 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:02,482 Voices10 for 10% off your purchase 523 00:24:02,482 --> 00:24:05,986 at store.ourrescue.org. 524 00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:11,199 That's Voices10 at store.ourrescue.org. 525 00:24:11,533 --> 00:24:15,287 And welcome back to Voices for Freedom, an anti-trafficking podcast 526 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:17,122 brought to you by OUR Rescue. 527 00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:20,417 I'm Matt Osborne, global ambassador for operations and education. 528 00:24:20,417 --> 00:24:23,462 I've had the privilege to speak to Lieutenant John 529 00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:27,674 Haning [of the] Rogers County, Oklahoma Sheriff's Office and a member of, 530 00:24:27,674 --> 00:24:28,717 and I had to write this down, 531 00:24:28,717 --> 00:24:33,180 the Tornado Alley Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force, 532 00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:34,347 TACETT. 533 00:24:34,347 --> 00:24:36,433 John, thank you so much for being here. 534 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:39,269 Thanks for all that you do. You both are heroes. 535 00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:42,522 As you and I were talking during the break, you had a case 536 00:24:42,522 --> 00:24:45,692 even before you had Rosco, even knew of Rosco, 537 00:24:45,692 --> 00:24:50,864 that let you realize how important dogs of this type would be and are. 538 00:24:50,864 --> 00:24:54,534 And do you mind sharing a little bit about that, even your pre-Rosco days? 539 00:24:54,534 --> 00:24:58,371 Yes, so it was one of my first cases, 540 00:24:58,371 --> 00:25:01,791 and it just happened to be a really big case. 541 00:25:01,791 --> 00:25:02,584 We got a cyber 542 00:25:02,584 --> 00:25:06,880 tip from the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, where 543 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,676 this individual was sharing his Dropbox account with different individuals. 544 00:25:11,676 --> 00:25:14,804 We executed a search warrant of his property and seized, like, 545 00:25:14,804 --> 00:25:16,264 all the devices that we could find. 546 00:25:16,264 --> 00:25:18,892 It was a pretty substantial-sized house. 547 00:25:18,892 --> 00:25:21,853 Two-stories, had a swimming pool in the backyard. 548 00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:26,149 And we found over a million artifacts of child sexual assault material 549 00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:28,860 on his cell phone and some computers. 550 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:31,279 And he was planning on 551 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:33,448 purchasing a child on the dark web 552 00:25:33,448 --> 00:25:35,408 and bringing him to Oklahoma 553 00:25:35,408 --> 00:25:39,579 and sexually abusing the child and then disposing of the child 554 00:25:39,579 --> 00:25:41,748 once he was done with that. 555 00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:43,917 So, he was pretty prolific, 556 00:25:43,917 --> 00:25:48,672 and he also had access to children because he worked at one of the local hospitals. 557 00:25:48,672 --> 00:25:51,132 And we were interviewing him and talking to him about if 558 00:25:51,132 --> 00:25:54,386 he’s ever been hands on, which we know he was. We just couldn’t prove it. 559 00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:55,428 He never admitted to it, 560 00:25:55,428 --> 00:25:58,890 but he was having those thoughts and then the text messages. 561 00:25:58,890 --> 00:26:00,976 So that was our first case. 562 00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:03,645 And then when I found out about these dogs, 563 00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,105 kind of got me thinking, 564 00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:07,482 well, “What device did we miss?” 565 00:26:07,482 --> 00:26:08,191 You know. 566 00:26:08,191 --> 00:26:09,276 Was it - 567 00:26:09,276 --> 00:26:09,985 we could have missed 568 00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:14,656 a device that would have found where he was hands on, where we could have 569 00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:18,702 provided services for these victims and got him more time in prison. 570 00:26:18,702 --> 00:26:19,077 Yeah. 571 00:26:19,077 --> 00:26:21,955 And again, and obviously in this business, 572 00:26:21,955 --> 00:26:24,332 you talk about hands on, but just so our audience realizes 573 00:26:24,332 --> 00:26:28,295 what that means, it's not enough for him to just be looking at the child sex 574 00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:28,962 abuse material. 575 00:26:28,962 --> 00:26:31,548 He needed to be abusing children and being there. 576 00:26:31,548 --> 00:26:33,174 I mean, you found a million artifacts 577 00:26:33,174 --> 00:26:36,177 and yet, there were more, probably, or could have been more. 578 00:26:36,177 --> 00:26:38,930 And how many hours would you say you had searched 579 00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:40,265 his location? 580 00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:44,185 We were there about half a day, if not almost a full day, because 581 00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:46,980 it was a very big house. 582 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:50,275 One thing that was interesting about how bad this individual was, 583 00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:54,029 and, you know, we're talking about little Rogers County in Oklahoma. 584 00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:57,907 He was communicating with people. One of the big individuals 585 00:26:57,907 --> 00:27:00,535 he was communicating with was calling himself the ‘Pedo King’ 586 00:27:00,535 --> 00:27:04,331 because the amount of the CSAM material that he had. 587 00:27:04,331 --> 00:27:07,292 And, as they were exchanging these Dropbox accounts, 588 00:27:07,292 --> 00:27:11,379 he had multiple of them with just tremendous amount of videos 589 00:27:11,379 --> 00:27:12,631 and images. 590 00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:14,883 This individual, who called himself the ‘Pedo King,’ 591 00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:18,720 told this individual, hey, “I pass my crown to you.” 592 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,055 So sick. 593 00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:23,767 If we would have had Rosco, because every time - ever since 594 00:27:23,767 --> 00:27:26,645 we've had him, every search warrant we go on, we always over - 595 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:30,190 we always find something that someone's overlooked. 596 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:32,692 Either a cell phone, a USB 597 00:27:32,692 --> 00:27:33,526 stuck somewhere. 598 00:27:33,526 --> 00:27:37,822 And again, as good as your team is - you spend half a day there - we’re humans, right. 599 00:27:37,822 --> 00:27:38,865 We miss things. 600 00:27:38,865 --> 00:27:42,786 And yet, these dogs, for the most part, find things that have been missed. 601 00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:45,372 Yeah, Chance Daykin was 25 years old, 602 00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:48,041 and he was living with his parents, his grandparents. 603 00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:51,169 So his stuff wasn’t just laying out in the open 604 00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:54,589 where someone could just log on and see it. 605 00:27:54,589 --> 00:27:56,466 So, that's kind of what we're looking for. 606 00:27:56,466 --> 00:27:58,802 We’re looking for those individuals 607 00:27:58,802 --> 00:28:00,887 and these cell phone devices that are concealed. 608 00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:02,514 They’re concealed not only from 609 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:04,766 us but other household members. 610 00:28:04,766 --> 00:28:05,767 And so, 611 00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:08,520 we’re talking about a big house, I mean. 612 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,021 You can hide that stuff anywhere. 613 00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:11,064 You know something you mentioned, too 614 00:28:11,064 --> 00:28:12,816 it just shows - I've been working this business now 615 00:28:12,816 --> 00:28:17,195 for ten years and trying to help law enforcement target these individuals. 616 00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:18,363 And the ‘Pedo King,’ 617 00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:21,449 I mean the fact that he would put that out there, call himself that. 618 00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:22,325 These traffickers 619 00:28:22,325 --> 00:28:24,994 and predators oftentimes operate with such impunity, 620 00:28:24,994 --> 00:28:27,539 because they don't think law enforcement's looking for them. 621 00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:31,292 Or if they are, “They're certainly not gonna find my little SD card, my USB 622 00:28:31,292 --> 00:28:35,380 thumb drive with terabytes of data and multiple AirTags and others.” 623 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:37,382 But yet, these dogs can. 624 00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:38,758 Talk to us a little bit about the year 625 00:28:38,758 --> 00:28:40,844 or so you've been with Rosco, and we realize you're 626 00:28:40,844 --> 00:28:43,054 only going to be able to speak in the most general details 627 00:28:43,054 --> 00:28:45,515 because these are still active law enforcement cases. 628 00:28:45,515 --> 00:28:47,767 We want to make sure we don't mess up anything in a court of law, 629 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:51,187 but about how many search warrants have you been on with Rosco? 630 00:28:51,187 --> 00:28:52,522 What's his find rate? 631 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:57,068 And again, this is secondary, tertiary sometimes, you know, searches. 632 00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:59,821 And then anything you can share in general about cases 633 00:28:59,821 --> 00:29:03,450 just to show the positive impact that Rosco and you are having 634 00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:06,453 in Rogers County and in that region of Oklahoma. 635 00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:11,916 Well, Rosco was the first ESD K9 in Oklahoma. 636 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:15,462 My agency has opened him up for any agency 637 00:29:15,462 --> 00:29:16,838 that needs help. 638 00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:19,340 We're averaging about one or two a week. 639 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:21,050 We help other agencies. 640 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:23,553 A few weeks ago, we were at a school where a teacher 641 00:29:23,553 --> 00:29:27,474 was concealing cameras and videotaping people in schools. 642 00:29:27,474 --> 00:29:29,350 So that was about an hour and a half away. 643 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:33,188 So Rosco and I drove out there and searched the locker rooms and 644 00:29:33,188 --> 00:29:35,857 places where these cameras could be concealed. 645 00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:36,775 Did he find things? 646 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:39,068 If you're able to tell, even just numbers, you don't tell us where or what. 647 00:29:39,068 --> 00:29:41,196 Was he able to locate anything in the school? 648 00:29:41,196 --> 00:29:41,780 That particular school 649 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:42,363 we didn’t but, 650 00:29:42,363 --> 00:29:44,073 every other search warrant 651 00:29:44,073 --> 00:29:46,785 we do because we have investigators, or law enforcement 652 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:51,790 will go in and we'll search a room, a house, a facility 653 00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:54,167 and every single time - 654 00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:55,960 because Rosco and I will go in afterwards - 655 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,756 and every single time, we always find one or two devices. 656 00:29:59,756 --> 00:30:03,468 It's always - it's not a good thing for us to find it. 657 00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:07,013 But we're glad and it's a relief 658 00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:10,099 that we’re able to find those one or two devices that 659 00:30:10,099 --> 00:30:11,726 could lead to saving a child. 660 00:30:11,726 --> 00:30:14,229 And maybe in a case you mentioned in this school, 661 00:30:14,229 --> 00:30:16,981 the fact he didn't find anything was good, right? 662 00:30:16,981 --> 00:30:17,899 You'd already search everything. 663 00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:20,944 And if the suspect was putting cameras up, maybe it means he didn't have 664 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:23,363 his digital storage devices there. 665 00:30:23,363 --> 00:30:25,615 These K9s obviously, as we say, 666 00:30:25,615 --> 00:30:30,703 are sort of the jewel in the crown of OUR Rescue’s domestic support. 667 00:30:30,703 --> 00:30:32,789 But we don't just provide K9s. 668 00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:33,832 I think that we've been able 669 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:37,836 to provide your organization with some other equipment, correct? 670 00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:40,213 Or software, can you talk a little bit about that? 671 00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:42,924 And then even if it's not support that we provided to you, 672 00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:46,719 what would you say to our audience about the need of sheriff's 673 00:30:46,719 --> 00:30:50,265 offices, police departments such as yours, task forces? 674 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:51,724 Again, you men and women on 675 00:30:51,724 --> 00:30:54,936 the frontlines are doing the best you can, but with limited resources. 676 00:30:54,936 --> 00:30:56,855 We like to bridge that gap. 677 00:30:56,855 --> 00:31:00,108 So many people talk about defund the police, defund the police. 678 00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:01,359 We fund the police. 679 00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:04,445 And we're grateful for the opportunity to work with your sheriff's office. 680 00:31:04,445 --> 00:31:07,782 What would you say about some of the support we've provided beyond Rosco, 681 00:31:07,782 --> 00:31:11,452 and then the other support that is needed in domestic 682 00:31:11,452 --> 00:31:15,540 U.S. law enforcement that perhaps our donors could help us to provide? 683 00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:19,294 You guys provided us Graykey, which is forensic software, 684 00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:23,798 that we use to get into these devices, to unlock them, to look for these child 685 00:31:23,798 --> 00:31:28,303 victims and evidence to these crimes these individuals are taking. 686 00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:32,098 And without your organization, it would be virtually impossible. 687 00:31:32,098 --> 00:31:35,018 Cause if you didn't have that, I assume, and I'm not an expert, but 688 00:31:35,018 --> 00:31:38,062 that's to go through someone's cell phone maybe, laptop, hard drive. 689 00:31:38,062 --> 00:31:40,398 Without that Graykey, what would you do? 690 00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:41,983 Would you have to send it somewhere else? 691 00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:46,696 Are we talking maybe months before you got that back as opposed to hours or days? 692 00:31:46,696 --> 00:31:49,991 Yes, we'd have to send it off and, 693 00:31:49,991 --> 00:31:50,658 you know, 694 00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:53,703 if it wasn’t one of our partners who are not gonna charge us, 695 00:31:53,703 --> 00:31:57,290 then we’d have to wait long periods of time for it to come back. 696 00:31:57,290 --> 00:32:00,084 But now we're able to do it in-house. We can do it quicker 697 00:32:00,084 --> 00:32:02,045 and the turnaround is better. 698 00:32:02,045 --> 00:32:03,838 So we can get to those victims quicker. 699 00:32:03,838 --> 00:32:06,633 And that's what we're trying to do with this technology. 700 00:32:06,633 --> 00:32:09,344 I hear from law enforcement contacts and colleagues that they work 701 00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:12,221 cases and say, “Hey, we need to go to a lab to get this 702 00:32:12,221 --> 00:32:15,099 phone looked at or this laptop,” and they'll say, “Perfect, 703 00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:16,142 it might be three weeks. 704 00:32:16,142 --> 00:32:18,102 It might be two months because we've got homicides, 705 00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:20,229 and we've got rapes and burglaries and everything behind. 706 00:32:20,229 --> 00:32:21,230 Get in line. Right?” 707 00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:23,232 But now you have this technology. 708 00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:26,694 As our audience thinks about the number of towns and cities in the United States 709 00:32:26,694 --> 00:32:29,781 and the amount of counties with sheriff's offices - towns and cities 710 00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:31,199 with police departments. 711 00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:32,992 What would you say are the greatest needs 712 00:32:32,992 --> 00:32:34,118 right now? 713 00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:38,081 Let's start first with, maybe a rural, and again, I know you’re just right 714 00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:38,957 outside of Tulsa, 715 00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:41,542 but outside of the big cities, what are the greatest needs 716 00:32:41,542 --> 00:32:46,255 of law enforcement to combat child exploitation and human trafficking? 717 00:32:46,255 --> 00:32:47,382 The forensic equipment. 718 00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:51,803 That stuff’s really expensive, and for small, rural communities 719 00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:56,891 it's, you know, it's difficult to justify the expense on that. 720 00:32:56,891 --> 00:33:01,187 Do you know more or less, how much the device itself, the software, the programs 721 00:33:01,187 --> 00:33:05,149 costs, then the licenses, just to give our audience an idea? 722 00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:06,401 Well, Graykey, 723 00:33:06,401 --> 00:33:10,154 if I remember correctly, is around $10,000, the initial. 724 00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:12,657 And that's just for a short period of time. 725 00:33:12,657 --> 00:33:14,075 Not even licenses, right? 726 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,953 And not even training? -Yeah it’s just reoccurring, and then 727 00:33:16,953 --> 00:33:21,374 the training to send someone out of state to get trained for that. 728 00:33:21,374 --> 00:33:25,169 Not only Graykey, but the other forensic equipment 729 00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:28,297 and other software. It's very expensive. 730 00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:32,343 And then how about for these dogs? The cost of the dogs 731 00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:36,097 to your knowledge of how much it would cost to place a dog, 732 00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:37,890 to do the training and all of that. 733 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:41,561 So Rosco was about $25,000. 734 00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:44,897 That was the initial cost that your organization 735 00:33:44,897 --> 00:33:45,481 put up. 736 00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:49,485 And then our agency pays for the 737 00:33:49,485 --> 00:33:53,906 veterinarian care and the food and like everything else. 738 00:33:53,906 --> 00:33:58,327 Every year, we have to go back to Indiana for recertification and more training. 739 00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:00,204 Yeah, and that's the numbers I have as well. 740 00:34:00,204 --> 00:34:02,165 And it's kind of gone up a little in recent years 741 00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:06,252 as so much has in our economy, but just over $20,000, 742 00:34:06,252 --> 00:34:09,547 $22,000, approaching $25,000 for the training. 743 00:34:09,547 --> 00:34:13,134 Think about the specialized training that has to happen, in Indianapolis 744 00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:16,554 at Jordan K9 Detection to get these dogs trained. 745 00:34:16,554 --> 00:34:17,680 And then, what I love 746 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,517 [about] the story, is the experts with the dogs will learn about their temperament. 747 00:34:21,517 --> 00:34:24,812 Then they meet the handlers and learn a little bit about their home life. 748 00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:25,521 And we do 749 00:34:25,521 --> 00:34:27,482 the site visits, and then the dogs are paired 750 00:34:27,482 --> 00:34:30,610 with the handlers, and then we provide that training. 751 00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:33,654 But we're grateful for then the law enforcement units themselves 752 00:34:33,654 --> 00:34:36,407 then to step up with the food and veterinary care. 753 00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:39,368 And these dogs, again, are not kept in crates here in the U.S. 754 00:34:39,368 --> 00:34:41,954 They are with the families as you heard earlier. 755 00:34:42,705 --> 00:34:44,999 I'm just grateful to to get to know Rosco. 756 00:34:44,999 --> 00:34:48,294 I know we're going to do a demonstration for some of the workforce 757 00:34:48,294 --> 00:34:49,921 a little bit later tonight and some guests. 758 00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:53,800 But as we wrap up, Lieutenant Haning, anything you would want to say 759 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,220 to wrap up again on Rosco, on your job? And then maybe anything 760 00:34:57,220 --> 00:35:02,725 to OUR Rescue donors who wonder sometime, “Well does my $5 a month, 761 00:35:02,725 --> 00:35:05,019 my $25 a month, does $500 here, 762 00:35:05,019 --> 00:35:06,938 does $1,000 here, really matter 763 00:35:06,938 --> 00:35:09,273 when we're talking about these type of dogs and equipment? 764 00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:11,400 What would you say to our supporters and donors? 765 00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:13,152 It absolutely does matter. 766 00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:16,948 I mean, without the support of your organization, your donors, 767 00:35:16,948 --> 00:35:18,324 we wouldn't have had Rosco. 768 00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:21,786 The cases that we've had very, you know, tremendous success with. 769 00:35:21,786 --> 00:35:25,331 And those cases that we work prior to having Rosco, 770 00:35:25,331 --> 00:35:28,835 as well as the forensic equipment that you guys were able to provide us, 771 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:31,504 we wouldn't have it. We’d still be struggling. 772 00:35:31,504 --> 00:35:33,840 No telling how many kids that we couldn’t have saved. 773 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,218 But, it's been a very successful program. 774 00:35:37,218 --> 00:35:39,303 Very successful. -Well, thank you very much. 775 00:35:39,303 --> 00:35:41,681 And I'm looking forward to - 776 00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:42,974 and when we go off camera here, 777 00:35:42,974 --> 00:35:44,809 to wrap up a little bit. I don't know if I'll startle him. 778 00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:46,561 I hope not if I just kind of pet him. We'll see here. 779 00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:49,814 He's been amazing. Again, just to re-emphasize 780 00:35:49,814 --> 00:35:53,901 what Lieutenant Haning said, is that, this is vital. 781 00:35:53,901 --> 00:35:56,696 The men and women on the frontlines in law enforcement are doing the best 782 00:35:56,696 --> 00:35:59,699 they can and doing amazing work but with limited resources. 783 00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:02,577 And with the human capacities that are limited. 784 00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:07,081 The nose on these dogs, what they're doing now to find digital media. 785 00:36:07,081 --> 00:36:08,958 What they're doing now to ensure 786 00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:12,753 that these suspected predators are tried, are convicted, 787 00:36:12,753 --> 00:36:15,756 and if found guilty, are sentenced. 788 00:36:15,756 --> 00:36:17,300 This is just, it's amazing. 789 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:19,051 So I am grateful, John. 790 00:36:19,051 --> 00:36:20,136 Thank you so much, sir. 791 00:36:20,136 --> 00:36:23,014 Rosco, thank you. Big stretch there. We absolutely love you. 792 00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:25,141 And thanks to you for watching. 793 00:36:25,141 --> 00:36:28,978 Thanks for supporting Voices for Freedom, an anti-trafficking podcast 794 00:36:28,978 --> 00:36:31,022 brought to you by OUR Rescue. 795 00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:32,815 We look forward to seeing you next time. 796 00:36:33,274 --> 00:36:34,483 Thanks for listening. 797 00:36:34,483 --> 00:36:36,194 Did you enjoy this episode? 798 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:40,740 If so, please leave us a review and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. 799 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:43,034 If you have ideas for future episodes, 800 00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:47,330 email us at voicesforfreedom@ourrescue.org. 801 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:50,374 Lastly, we encourage you to join the fight. 802 00:36:50,374 --> 00:36:54,712 Make a difference today by donating at ourrescue.org. 803 00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:58,674 On the next episode of Voices for Freedom, an anti-trafficking podcast, 804 00:36:58,674 --> 00:37:02,053 join me as I interview Omar, our regional director 805 00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:05,932 for Mexico and the Caribbean, as he walks us through his efforts to build up 806 00:37:05,932 --> 00:37:10,061 his region on both the rescue operations, training, and aftercare front. 807 00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:11,479 You won't want to miss it. 808 00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:27,388 when we will be talking to Casey from Relentless Hope Ministries. 809 00:38:27,388 --> 00:38:31,267 They focus on both sex trafficking and ritual abuse. 810 00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:34,812 This is a heavy topic, but you won't want to miss this as we dive 811 00:38:34,812 --> 00:38:38,024 into what this looks like in our own backyard.